@shekkiesqueaks this feels like trying to shame people into using the GPL and that is _bad_

@KS @shekkiesqueaks I'm would like to respectfully disagree with that sentiment. If you successfully shame someone into abandoning an antisocial attitude or behaviour, more power to you!

Arguably, that's what shame is for, it's the feeling we get when someone points out we were behaving badly.

(Using Free / Open Software to build a proprietary what-nots is by some, myself included, considered antisocial behaviour.)

@HerraBRE @shekkiesqueaks Shaming someone into abandoning their rights for the most anti-free license filled with viral BS is not something to be proud of.

Kaito / Katie Sinclaire @KS

@shekkiesqueaks @HerraBRE If you want a free license, the MIT and Apache licenses are lovely for those purposes. Personally I use the zlib license for my works.

I absolutely hate the attempts to instill fear in / shame others because they don't want to indulge in viral "copyleft" licenses that offer them no protection to things that actually *matter* to people, like code theft.

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@KS @shekkiesqueaks Of course you hate them. The truth hurts.

Broaden your definition of people to include non-devs, and think about their rights in a digital world.

You'll get there in the end.

@HerraBRE @KS lol what

are you trying to seriously suggest that we should shame people who give out their work under unrestricted licenses

@Xkeeper @KS I'm saying that if you successfully shame someone into realizing that end-users deserve rights too, not just developers, that would be a totally awesome accomplishment.

In part because it's very hard. Look how hard you're resisting, the mere thought of it makes you angry, dunnit? :-)

@HerraBRE @KS i'm not angry. i think it's just dumb, and i think the gpl is dumb.

i like open source and i like free software; all of the stuff i make, generally speaking, is mit.

but shaming people into using what is effectively a virus in the shape of a license? not good.

@Xkeeper @KS Honestly? I don't think anyone is ever shamed into using the GPL. People don't work that way.

This whole "shaming, bad, wah!" reaction is a straw-man.

All those liberal licenses you love do zilch to protect the end user - they turn your work into a gift to corporations and proprietary devs.

The GPL licenses protect the end-user rights and therefore entire industries are dedicated to defaming it. You're being played.

@KS @HerraBRE just to clear this up from my end since it probably wasn't obvious (that rant is worded weird, I know):

I dislike people who primarily pick licenses that lets them weasel their way out of sharing source for profit. I don't mind people using MIT; I mind people whose world revolves around money

@shekkiesqueaks You're cool then. <3

Sorry, that's just not the vibe I was getting from the linked article though.

@KS yeah it's worded like ass >:c!

I was like "... wait what"

then I was like O!

then I forgot to point out it's worded like ass after I realised what it was saying. aANYWAY I'M SORRY

SQUEAK

then again, I have no idea who writes the posts on that site or how they generally go about ideas, so it could be the most convoluted styling of beetle-shaped burger poems for all I know